The BNP…..What would Jesus do?

bnp-posterIn Holy Week, I had intended that this blog would simply carry reflective observations of the stations of the cross, and, on Friday, the last words of Jesus from the cross. Alas,   when I saw a report that the British National Party (BNP) has used an image of Jesus and a scripture from John 15:20 “If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you.”on its latest poster for the June European elections , I just had to share something with you. The poster goes on to say What would Jesus do? Vote BNP. Now, by any standards it is quite a leap to suggest that because Jesus warned his supporters about persecution, then he would put his cross against the BNP candidate in the forthcoming Euro elections.  The poster  makes for an interesting talking point about just how far people will go to legitimise their views by associating themselves with Jesus. If we believe everything we read Jesus is both anti- and pro homosexuals ; anti and pro-women priests; anti- and pro-social welfare; anti and pro-bankers; added to this list is now the suggestion that as Jesus was committed to freedom and against persecution he must be for a right-wing extremist party just because it finds itself condemned by mainstream political opinion. Perhaps the real truth of this incident is a warning against those of us wearing wristbands and T-shirts bearing the slogan WWJD? and claiming sincere exclusivity about what that slogan means. The truth us that as we all have our own agendas we want to shoehorn them into Christological legitimacy by claiming Jesus’ support for our world view. Jesus is the  saviour of all humankind, whatever their world view and a saviour of surprises, but the claim of the BNP that Jesus would support them because they are concerned with protecting, as they see it, Britain’s Christian heritage and Christian values may surpise even Christ. The poster has been condemned by various church groups and in West Yorkshire the Ecumenical Council has mounted a counter campaign with the slogan- “Use your cross- Vote for hope in Yorkshire” to mobilise voters to keep out the BNP saying; ” The Christian vision of society is one where each person is treated with dignity and respect, whatever their face or religion. It is a vision of hope.” Christ’s message was indeed one of hope, love, inclusion and justice.  Jesus suggested that loving God and our neighbours as ourselves was central to his outlook on how we should live our lives if we were serious about bringing in his kingdom, so let’s check these things out in the BNP manifesto for the Euro elections. Let’s see if rather than touting for more crosses on a ballot paper, BNP candidates are prepared to truly take on board what it means to take up the cross of Christ and follow him.

Please note that I have included an image of the poster to illustrate this blog post only. I am not encouraging blog readers to suport or vote for the BNP. I do not believe that the BNP is persecuted for saying what I think as their poster suggests.

See also https://unfinishedchristian.wordpress.com/2009/06/10/community-tithing-from-the-strangest-source/

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26 responses to “The BNP…..What would Jesus do?

  1. Pingback: Another BNP Poster: What Would Jesus Do? « Keep Calm and Carry On: Second World War Posters

  2. graham misson

    how dare nick griffan use the picture of our lord Jesus he cant be a practising christian .He should be ashamed of himself trying to jump on the church

  3. I rather thank that in Jesus’ time, people would have been allowed to complain about foreigners and talk of sending them home, without being persecuted and villified.

    Would Jesus have voted BNP?

    Bishop John Goddard’s comment that the BNP sow division was countered by Roger Bolton pointing out that the Church’s policy of allowing homosexual priests is in itself divisive.

    In other words, politics and religion are divisive. Man is so divided and contentious that quite often, he would disagree with the opinions that he himself has held at another time.

    Knowing what we do about Jesus, it is quite likely that he would have remained enigmatic and not voted.

    Would Muhammad have said, let us Muslims vote BNP because they have so many policies we agree on?

    Muslims would doubtless approve of the BNP’s stance on

    1) withdrawing British troops from Muslim lands

    2) the return of capital punishment

    3) the return of corporal punishment

    Indeed, Muslims may be concerned about immigration and see the connection between the EU and uncontrolled immigration, and wish to withdraw from it, as the BNP do.

    Islam does not endorse PC-liberalism of tolerance (of promiscuity, single mothers, widespread illegitimacy leading to the lowering of standards of education and behaviour, the drug and pub culture of this country etc).

    Their religion tells them to forbid what is evil and enjoin what is good.

    What we must now decide is whether it would be a good thing to tell the Lib-Lab-Con how much they are hated, by voting BNP.

    We have all heard of suicide bombing.

    Suicide voting is a similar but less dramatic equivalent.

  4. Interesting post Andromeda- but I am not with you on your analysis that voting BNP would be the right message to show the main three parties that they are hated. Voting for a party that espouses hate just because you’re upset with the establishment politics does not seem to have anything to do with the Christian values I am trying to live by. Let’s try to find a positive political agenda and a decent ethical and moral compass to for our society that is build on love, inclusion, fairness and justice and not division and hate!

  5. Way I see it, the BNP are the only party that says they would repeal all anti-discrimination legislation, which is in itself divisive.

    Let’s face it: politics is divisive, religion is divisive, any debate about the two is divisive.

    What needs to happen is that the rules need to be changed to become fairer.

    If you want to complain about immigration and immigrants, then you should be allowed to.

    It is ridiculous that you cannot even do this in a country where you are supposed to have free speech.

    The BNP in any case to do not advocate anything really frightening like forced repatriation, and are offering a package of assisted voluntary repatriation of £50K per repatriatee.

    Now, I am sure there are quite a few white people who wouldn’t mind getting this sum of money to leave the country!

  6. Mizeki

    Two things, Andromeda: 1st, as you yourself have pointed out, is that the BNP wishes to do away with the rules, not “make them fairer”. In the absence of rules, people think that they can do whatever they like, and they did, which is why the laws against unfair discrimination were established.
    2nd, it is not illegal to “complain about” immigration and immigrants. There is a real debate to be had, a debate which needs to take seriously British migration (including colonization) to other continents and lands. What is outlawed is incitement to racial hatred.

  7. No doubt the BNP regard the rules as they stand as unfair.

    As a Libertarian I regard all anti-discrimination legislation as thoughtcrime legislation, which should be repealed as soon as possible.

    I think we should all be allowed to discriminate and even hate, provided we do not carry damage property and cause physical injury.

    There is much in the world that is wrong and hateful, such as the long list of thoughtcrime legislation we have that only creates resentment and division.

    As we should love what is good, so should we hate what is evil and harmful.

    Any kind of thoughtcrime legislation is intended to censor and to suppress debate.

    Therefore all thoughtcrime legislation should be abolished.

    As a Christian, you are no doubt aware that the worst of thoughtcrime laws concerned the Holy Trinity, which no one was allowed to question or deny, on pain of being accused of heresy, blasphemy and burnt at the stake.

    Once the Spanish Inquisition ended and the European Enlightenment principles began, Christianity would be doomed.

    Those brought up in the faith would find it difficult to believe in the impossible – ie that Jesus is Son of God and his mother was a virgin – and throw the baby out with the babywater.

    It is a great irony that Christian Europeans, who pride themselves on their liberty and reason, are actually more comfortable with and unquestioningly accepting of thoughtcrime legislation than Muslims.

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  9. Jeff Marshall

    Graham Misson wrote:

    “how dare nick griffan use the picture of our lord Jesus he cant be a practising christian .He should be ashamed of himself trying to jump on the church”

    How dare the godless Church of England – which promotes the sin of homosexuality, even in the very church itself – dare to even include itself in the same sentence as the British National Party – which supports traditional Christian values.

  10. Congratulations on having (and allowing) such a good response on your blog, unlike others I could mention, such as Bishop Tim Ellis.

  11. BrigitteAbbendis

    The sin of homosexuality? If I recall correctly, Jesus said nowhere that homosexuality was a sin (remember, lying with a man is very different to lying with a woman). In fact, he said three times “Get thee behind me Satan”.

  12. I cite what follows below as authority for the proposition that homosexuality is considered undesirable.

    It is a sin with a specified punishment in the Koran too.

    Romans 1:26-27 (King James Version)

    26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

    27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (King James Version)

    9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

    10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

    1 Timothy 1:10 (King James Version)

    10For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

    Jude 1:7 (King James Version)

    7Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

  13. Ok, Ok, enough already. I made it a point not to edit comments whether I agree or not, but let’s try to be sensible. A blog comment post is not really the place for a point by point trip through the KJV with random verses scoring points on specific issues like sexuality, sin or whatever else. Can we just agree that following Christ is essentially what we should all be encouraged to do. Let’s pray for each other in this challenging task and agree that along the way we may share different perspectives on certain issues and let’s just for once try to see the bible as God’s narrative told through different ages, perspectives, voices and contexts- let’s leave the judgement to God and work towards showing an inclusive love for all our people in the name of Christ.

  14. You asked a question, didn’t like the answer and now say “Let us pray and fudge the issue.”

    I suppose that is a typically Christian thing to do, and therein lies the superiority of Islam, which exhorts you to command what is good and forbid what is evil.

  15. BrigitteAbbendis

    @’Andromeda’

    Except according to the Quran, you’re going to be tortured in hell for all eternity. Your perfect infallible guide to all existence is completely contrary to your actual lifestyle. The fact that not every politician in this country submits is the one thing preventing your execution, as would occur in any country that followed the rules outlined in the Quran. I (recent anonymous contributor to your blog) retract my statements about your website. It is hopelessly biased and merely a ploy to astroturf your doctrine. That said, direct democracy was a an intelligent choice, far less commonly used than religion for demagoguery. Should you choose not to publish my comments, as I notice you have no comments from anonymous detractors, that would also make you a hypocrite. It’s clear perusing your comments that you’re an atheist troll, no matter how you try to dress it up.

  16. Brigitte,

    Have a look at my blog and you will find many insults and abuse. Only spam and obvious nonsense are not displayed.

    There are many anonymous comments too, and I don’t know why you would wish to be anonymous there when you give your name here.

    I well remember brimstone and hellfire sermons in literature that church-goers would be subjected to and Christians cursing each other: “May you burn in hell!” It is not an exclusively Muslim thing, therefore.

    Not sure what you mean by “ploy to astroturf your doctrine” and would be glad for an explanation of this curious metaphor.

    What is my “doctrine”? I have none except the assumption that we all want fewer laws, more liberty, lower taxes, and a society that mostly feels that the principles of justice are adhered to.

    I have no trouble admitting my atheism and have been called a troll on many occasions.

  17. BrigitteAbbendis

    I chose this name as a pseudonym. Of the 10 or so comments I read on your blog, most were accolades.

    As for what I meant by “astroturfing” your doctrine, I posit that you are a nefarious BNP overlord, seeking to gain support from those who support democracy. Your method: mendaciously shoehorning issues of strict father conservatism into obliquely worded polls to apply a façade of respectability for your endeavours. You are the party leader you fear. The person who words the referendum is the totalitarian dictator. The people clamour for their rights to be taken away in the name of “pride” or “values”.

  18. This blog was never meant to focus so heavily on one issue. I have tried to keep lines of communication open and not edit/delete posts, but for sake of the core purpose of this blog- which is broader than party politics I want to respectfully ask bloggers Andromeda and Brigitte to find another way of conducting your personal dialogue than on my blog- maybe Andomeda could do this on his/her blog?
    I am sure you can respect my wishes as I have respected your posts- regardless of viewpoint.

  19. Unfinished Christian, I completely see why you would want us to do our scrapping elsewhere, so if Brigitte wants to have another go at me, she knows where to find me.

    I cannot help it if most comments were accolades, but display all I can that make some sort of sense.

    “Nefarious BNP overlord”? Crikey. I suppose I should be flattered.

    See you The Voice of Reason, Brigitte, or at http://www.1party4all.co.uk – the opinion-polling direct democracy website that respects free speech.

  20. Jeffrey Marshall

    ‘Astroturfing’ one’s doctrine is, I would guess, spreading it about all over the place in one homogenous layer – wall-to-wall, as it were.

    An Americanism.

    As for ‘mendaciously shoehorning issues of strict father conservatism’, I give up.

    Let them learn the Queen’s English – instead of just queeny English – so they can communicate themselves properly.

  21. May I say to Unfinished Christian how puzzling I find it that you are actually discouraging debate here.

    I am always pleased and flattered when people bestir themselves to bestow me attention, whether they agree with me or not.

    For my readers to have taken the trouble to understand what I say and to be exercised enough to comment, is a gesture that I find deeply humbling.

    Continuing this debate elsewhere would cause us to lose sight of the point, which is that the warnings and reminders in the Koran are clearer, fairer and more humane than those in Bible.

    The Koran enjoins an attitude of tolerance but never of equality, which is as it should be.

    This does suggest to me that the Koran is superior to the Bible, and that Islam a superior religion to Christianity.

    I wonder if we could continue the discussion in this vein.

  22. right Jesus was killed by Joos soo he’s like:
    “I feels like i wanna vote BNP at the moment as i is still sore in places you know?”
    BBC “wud this upset the ~Joos and are you being antisemetic just coz they had you tortured and killed thing”
    “YA”

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  25. David Bertram

    God hates border jumpers (crossers) you can’t cross the border into heaven if he don’t like u or welcome you. Wwjd

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